User talk:Muhammad Ali Khalid

An idea clicked

Neat, we're definitely going to have pages for the major groups, constituencies and associations, etc., but hadn't thought of going it chronologically. That solves a problem that has been bugging me for a while, great idea, thanks and we'll use it! Ray

Notice

To all writers: Can you start marking the very top of each and every page you work on with UNDER CONSTRUCTION, when Caterina, Ray, or myself have edited and checked off on the page we will remove it. Thanks! Andrew

UPDATE: We've created an image that will make the "Under Construction" process easier: Please insert [[Image:UnderConstruction.png]] as the first text in every article you make. Thanks for putting up with the notes as we perfect this process. Be well, Stay in touch, Andrew

Again?

You should give those 3 articles you pointe out to me another go! We want them on the site because they have caricatures, and it seems like their could be some info out there on these folks. Give it a second try! Andrew

Current batch

Hey, thanks for your work on your current batch of articles! Right now, Ray, Andrew, and I are at the ICANN conference in San Francisco, and unfortunately we might not have time to do much editing this week, but we will definitely get to your articles starting next week. One thing: I've noticed that you always use the h3 heading (===) when formatting your articles. To fit with the formatting of the rest of the site, we would prefer if you used h2 headings (==) and only use h3 headings if you need a subhead under an h2 heading. Thanks! Caterina

If you could do it, that would be wonderful. Thank you! Caterina

Sam Bazzi

Yes, it intentional, not sure why, but just leave it alone for now Ray

From Lahore

Someone we met from Lahore: Fouad Riaz Bajwa. Oh, and I also talked to Sarmad Hussain who is a professor there Ray

Yes, neat to connect Ray

Naming Problem

Thanks for pointing this out. It has been fixed. Caterina

Captcha!

So I heard about your problems with the site.. Is it still happening? I did some testing with 3 different browsers (Chrome, Firefox, and Safari) and I had none of the similar problems. What browser are you using? Could you send me a screenshot of what's happening to andrew@icannwiki.com? I don't know how to help you at this point but we can figure this out with a little more background. AndrewM

Still haven't received that email... maybe check the spelling of the address..?Andrew

Umm. Still no email. you could try andrewpmerriam[at]gmail.com Got both of em! that was weird...

Get some sleep! I'm with Ray and we'll try to puzzle this out. Thanks for keep us updated and talk to you tomorrow.

Editing

I'm going to start editing the batches you've posted. I've already gone through Batch #4 to determine whether or not you've exhausted the possible resources, and out of the 50 person batch there were only a few I identified that need some more content. That batch is not yet edited completely, but when you have a chance please go back and build up those articles I've identified. Keep an eye out for my other editing notes as I work through these batches. Thanks, Andrew

Notes:

In most cases Education should come last in a person's profile. This is because it is generally the oldest experience a person has and is not usually the main thing that people would want to quickly learn about a person. I've been switching it in your articles, but please put it towards the end of the articles in the future.
I like that you use the person's first and last name instead of always "he, he, he"; however, when you use just their last name please use a title in front of it- so instead of saying "Johnson studied at the University" go with "Mr./Dr./Prof. Johnson, etc.".
we've started the rule that unless a person's article is REALLY long, then it does not need a table of contents. These automatically appear after you create a few separate headers. To eliminate this place __NOTOC__ as the very last thing on the page. NOTOC is surrounded by 2 underscores (_) on each side.

Article Order: There is no set answer for your question, the rule to follow would be to order it in a way that makes sense for both the subject and the reader. So if the person has published a lot then maybe those publications should go towards the top. But, for the average person it seems to make sense like this:

A brief intro section, with their name, current position, and any VERY relevant extra info such as important work with ICANN, important past experience, or information that doesn't seem to fit elsewhere.
A career history section
Publications/Achievements/ICANN section/More on Current Work/Industry Work sections - these sections will not be on every article, but if they apply it is up to you determine which seems most important - consider the length of each potential section and the rest of the person's profile to help make this decision.
Education/Personal Info/Misc. - I've said that education goes last because it is usually the oldest experience a person has and is not the type of thing that most people want to quickly learn about another person. This could not be true if they are an academic/very accomplished student, so while it doesn't always have to be last, for the average person it should come after most of the stuff I've just listed.

I don't want you to think every article needs to look/read the same, I do not want that at all! It's good to keep each article a little different, and give it its own feeling whenever possible, but I hope this guideline helps, and please holler if you have more questions. Thanks, Andrew

Changes

Hi Ali, please make note of the change in process for keeping track of your batches. There is a note on the Articles needed page explaining what is different. Thanks. Caterina

We seem to have been working on the Articles needed page at the same time. You might want to make sure that your edits weren't lost when I transferred your batches over to your user page. Sorry about that. Caterina

edit

I just finished editing another entire batch and there is only one issue I left marked out on your user page for you to fix. Great work! Andrew

So, I'm all caught up on your editing. If you look at your page there are three articles marked with issues to clear up (out of 100 total that is pretty good!) I've also left the ones with copy& past issues there so I have them readily available to discuss with my coworkers. Thanks again. Andrew

Batch 7

You have a tendency to do something like this: "The Asia Pacific Network Information Center (APNIC)" I generally think either the acronym or the full title should be chosen, not both, unless you perhaps are introducing a rather rare/uncommon acronym at the beginning of an article. So if you don't want to link just APNIC, because maybe you've overused the term or you want it to be clear, but still want to to lead to the right article do this: [[APNIC|Asia Pacific Networking Group]]. That way you don't always have to say both the title and acronym, choose either depending on context but remember to link to the same consistent place. That same consistent link is generally the acronym.

-Another note on this: one place where you made the exactly right decision to use the acronym and spell it out is throughout David Gomes' article.

Help

Good question. I think it's up to you to make that info professional. That is obviously a long story, and I see you've already given it a go at making a quick summary of it. No reason to ignore it as it is on the Internet and we want to reflect what public knowledge is available about every person. But a good, short (professional) summary with a reference is the goal. Andrew

References

I know that we're hitting the bottom of the barrel and many of the old articles on the .org site don't have references, but I'm going to continue to mark out the ones with no references to encourage you to check a second time and to track how frequently it is happening.Andrew

-Also, batch 8 edited, only a few issues for you to clarify. Thanks.

Research

As you can see I've identified a fair number of articles from your most recent batch that could benefit from some more research, rather than do this for your entire batch I'm hoping you could do a quick second swipe to identify more references for these articles. I appreciate your quick work, and you're clearly dedicated to the site, but just try not to rush too hard as we near then end of clearing the .org site! Thanks your continuous work is really appreciated, Andrew

Lahoreians

You might want to say hello to Tehreem who is also in Lahore. You guys could have an ICANNWiki users group :-) Ray

Re: from lahore

I have worked on mturk before. Nah no prior experience with wiki editing I just learned it from others work here. Tehreem

Yeah I also don't work on mtruk anymore because of that. Thanks for the compliment. :-) The only problem is that sometimes its very hard to find material. Any tips?

I do search with company names etc but didn't try the commas thing. Thanks for the help

Thanks

I didn't realize you weren't finish, keep me updated. Andrew

Forwarding Links from .ORG

For future work can you be sure to use stronger and more clear language when creating forwarding links than can be found here. Something that reiterates that the site is moving like: "This article has been moved to ICANNWiki's new site. Read it [here]". Any wording that explains the site is moving and that this particular article has already been moved. I will telling all of the writers this. Thanks! Andrew

Ali, I know you are on top of this but it's a reminder I'm giving all the writers:

Also, please take note of the rule below, it also addresses the procedure for wiping and linking from the old site that we will expect from everyone from now on. Thanks for you attention to this, we're trying to get a clearer system in place so please follow these new rules as you continue working. Thanks for your patience as we get this all systemized and explained! So,:

The wiped page should contain the disclaimer & link to the new site but it should also contain the category "ICANNWiki.com" (with that exact spelling and capitalization). As you know, the formatting for this is: [[Category:ICANNWiki.com]]. This is the only category that the wiped pages need, it should no longer contain a "People" category. This will help us to track our progress of moving over the old site.

Company Template Changes

Hi writers,We've updated the Company template. Please make note of the changes, and pay attention to the specific formatting. We'd like the appearance of the template to be as standardized as possible. Do not delete empty fields, as they will not show up anyway. I have gone through all of the old company articles and changed them to the new template.

Additionally, if you are writing an article about an organization (sometimes these are categorized as "glossary" or "company" to begin with), please use the company template when the organization has a logo. If it does not have a logo, you do not need to use the template.

Thanks, Caterina

Same articles

Just noticed that we have created same articles Atish mandal and Atish Mandal. What should I do now?

OK :-)

Sure. So which alphabets do you want to work on?

By the way that 'm' created the problem in atish mandal, I don't think articles can be created with same name otherwise. So there should not be any problem again. What do you say?

Would there be any problem if I work with M and N? We won't have any clash for some time at least. :-)

So won't I :-)

Format

That seems like it might work, but can you continue to use the batch numbers so we don't lose track of that?

oh, okay. I had converted it to that format as I had already edited those and it was confusing me that they were no longer marked as such. please differentiate between the edited/unedited part of the batch, or only move up edited articles into batch 9. Andrew

As you may have noticed I brought the total articles in batch 9 up to 50 and collapsed it to make the page more manageable. Those have all been edited.

Quick Reminder

When you're filling out the People Template, please remember to replace @ signs in email addresses with [at]. Thanks. Caterina

Another thing: I've noticed you've accidentally put the portrait in the caricature field and the caricature in the portrait field sometimes. Please be a little more careful with that. Caterina

no need

that lady was not important, good eye, going to delete her. Andrew

done?!

That's it.... all of the remaining articles on .org are not important!?! So, in your opinion we are done transferring people articles from .org?

Okay, ya I was looking at the .org site and it looks pretty cleaned out. Where do you stand on your work? you have batch 11 which needs to be filled out with complete articles from the being checked section to be around 50 (looks like possibly 51). Then you have 17 or so stubs that have to be checked, and then you've added the templates to all of Sabrina's articles?

Cool. Well, bring over Dakota King's pictures as she is Ray's daughter and I'm sure he'd like to not lose those photos. Then, if you say the people are done, then they're done - I know you've put a lot of work into doing the .org switch and you have a good eye for these things.

As far as work to do now. An immediate project would be fixing ALL of Sabrina's articles. They all have terrible copy and paste issues and do not follow NPOV AT ALL. That is, she compliments the people and makes very strong claims about their background and abilities. I know you know how our articles should look and read - so if you think you're up to the task of fixing those articles, then we'd love you to. I will finish your non-stub edits and get you paid for that last full batch shortly and discuss compensation of the stubs and the proposed Sabrina project with Ray. Let me know how this sounds. Andrew

Sabrina's Fixes

Ya, they are a real mess. I hope you can do all of the things you mentioned. Delete the fluff, the stuff she is making up. Rephrase the important things that were copied and pasted (most of it prob. is, I think it should be obvious what is copy and pasted, and you can always run in through a search engine) And then you'll also need to find references.

I know this is a lot of work, and I would say probably harder than writing an article from scratch as you do not know where all this stuff is coming from (Her own imagination or some hidden place of the internet!), Rest assured we'll be fair to you. And honestly it may mean deleting most of her work and doing your own, I trust you to find a system that works for you- and you know what our end goal is, an article that is referenced and represents all the applicable information on the Internet about the person.

No rush on this project. After this project we'll be coming up with other things. Cheers, -A

1st

Didn't get your note until today, the first, I hope the bonus arrives. that is for two full batches, one full batch of people articles, one "full" batch of stubs. Andrew

how is it?

I was wondering how you are doing.. It has been awhile since I've heard from you. hope all is well. Andrew

Sabrina Batch

That mentioned 43 people because on User:Sabrinaw's user page she has 43 articles listed. We can always see how many end up being deleted/stubs/etc. But as of now it seems like more or less a standard batch. Thanks for staying aware. Andrew

As always, thanks for your participation on the site. It's great to see you back. Andrew

Special Project?

I was wondering if you would be available to help us with a special project during the Singapore Conference. It would involve creating templates and doing the basic research for anyone that comes to our booth to sign up, we would then later add in the info that we received in the booth. This is obviously a project that depends on timing, so you would need to be available more or less every day (for at least a few hours) between June 19-24. I've noticed you seem to have been busy lately and haven't had as much time on the site, let me know if you'll be able to give us some of your attention for that time period and I'll respond with more details as far as the actual project and payment. Hope all is well! Andrew

Great, it really shouldn't be that much (5-7hrs a day) work. It seems like maybe 2-4, but we could be busier than expected! Anyways, I'm glad you're available - I will meet with Ray and Caterina this weekend and once we have a very clear plan I will update you - expect to hear more Sunday or Monday! Talk to you then, Andrew

More Details

I'm excited that we'll have you as support for our conference work, It's a great way to tie in more of our team in our conference participation. So, what will happen is that throughout our day/by the end of the day we will add the names of the people we interviewed at the booth to a special page. This will be a list of "red" links, you will then go in and do the following:

Import the Under Construction image
Import the People Template, we will provide you with the person's name and country, also fill in the Portrait and Character image fields as if those were already uploaded. So if the page your building is for Jane Doe you would put JaneDoePortrait.jpg and JaneDoeCaricature.jpg (capitalizing each separate word but keeping it all one word) in the respective spots, this way once we have them uploaded we don't have to remove the "Portrait/Caricature coming" file and replace it with the actual files.
Do all possible research and build the actual article. This is your standard research, we will make sure you're searching the right person by providing extra search terms such as their country of origin and their position/company. Build the best article you can.
Mark with your initials when you have completed

This is basically the same process you're used to, though we are asking you to fill in the portrait/caricature image info before they are actually uploaded to the site. We will then pay on our standard model, including counting the shorter articles as stubs. Once you have completed your work we will then add in the information that we have from the interview. We have no idea how many people will be coming through, last conference we added around 200 people. Some days may be busier than others, some days may be very busy (Mon-Wed), so your general availability is very appreciated. I haven't opened a vWorker project as we don't know how much work we will be compensating you for, res assured we'll take care of your payment with the same mutual respect as always.

Does this sound good? Any Questions?

Yes you can certainly have time after the conference to finish anything. We just want to keep up on as much work as possible, so you're being a big help. I think we'll be adding fewer people at the SIngapore conference, and many of them may be stubs. Andrew Andrew

good eye

Thanks for drawing my attention to that! Andrew